The Supreme Court ([info]burningvigor) wrote,
@ 2009-05-11 02:46:00
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the little things give you away.
You know, it's pretty cool being able to do rough translations of bits of raw manga chapters. It's not much, but even getting a gist of what's going on is pretty awesome.

On that note, I am caught up with the FMA manga, and man, shit went down. I'm really excited to see where things go from here.


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[info]verie
2009-05-11 10:00 am UTC (link)
Isn't it?! I just went through the new FMA chapter and was all "I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THIS. 8D"

This chapter was awesome. I really want to give Roy a hug, though. :(

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 10:01 am UTC (link)
Yes, and I just found a summary to fill in the blanks that I was too lazy to translate!

Roy needs a hug so damn bad. From Hughes. ;__; MAN, I WANTED HIM TO KILL ENVY.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 10:24 am UTC (link)
I figure I'll wait for the scanlation for the rest of it, I got basically all of the Roy scene, minus Envy's dialogue because his font is a pain.

ME TOO. It felt kind of ridiculous having Ed, Scar, and Hawkeye telling him not to kill Envy. This is like.. the least qualified group of people to try to convince someone not to avenge someone. Since Hawkeye was pretty big on that whole avenging Roy thing during the Lust bit, and Ed's not exactly the world's least violent/angry person, and Scar is SCAR for crying out loud.

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 10:29 am UTC (link)
Augh, Envy's font is a pain. I never realized it was like that until getting the raw.

Yeah, uhh, that was pretty ridiculous. I mean, I get what they were trying to do, I guess, but damn. :| I mean, Scar was the most reasonable about it, but seriously. AUUUUGH. Why does Hawkeye beat out Hughes? D:

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 10:41 am UTC (link)
I generally have been getting the raw and flipping through it for the pretty pictures, but yeah, I realize it's a lot worse now that I'm trying to read it. XD;

I don't think Hawkeye really beats out Hughes, so much as Roy's sick of everyone dying/getting maimed, and Hawkeye has a tendency to do suicidal stuff anytime it looks like something might have happened to Roy, sooo... making her shoot him would basically lead to her killing herself, and then all the wrong people would be dead. :( Now, why she feels this compelling need to shoot him right now is beyond me. I mean, it'd be one thing if he'd just totally lost it, but he didn't. :/ He was just understandably pissed off the whole time.

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 10:45 am UTC (link)
On top of being way behind on the manga for ages, I also usually wait for scanlations, so I was raising a serious eyebrow when I saw his font.

That's true. D: They would all be dead then, and that wouldn't do them much good. :| But yeah, Hawkeye should really understand why Roy needed to kill Envy, man. AND HE KILLED LUST ALREADY. What was the big deal, honestly.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
Yeah. I think he mainly only uses that font when he's in his pathetic lizard thing form, at least, but still obnoxious to read. I suspect he also uses kind of weird speech patterns, just to make him that much more incomprehensible. ~_~;

Exactly! I mean, she did this whole "Right now you're not doing it to defend anyone blahblah" thing, but I mean... the actual moment when he killed Lust he was defending Hawkeye because she'd run in and tried to do a big suicide attack to avenge Roy, so uuuh... apparently her logic doesn't apply to her? Or avenging someone counts as defending, in which case killing Envy is totally okay...

It'd make a lot more sense to me if this was the first time we'd seen him go all tiny, since then it'd be like "lookit him, he's harmless now!" It annoys me the most because there was a very real possibility that he could have just come back AGAIN. If we're trying to keep Roy from being an all out murderer or something, we really could have picked a less threatening person to keep him from killing... I mean, even if he's not a threat right that second, preventing him from killing more people just sounds like a reasonable excuse to me.

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 10:59 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it did seem like his speaking patterns were strange. Envy, your words are not worth translating. :| ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU'RE DEAD.

It's all very hypocritical, yes. I mean, maybe she thinks that she can do that sort of thing because she isn't trying to get to the top in the same way as Roy, so she can get her hands dirty in ways that he shouldn't, but meh.

Right, Envy is the only person Roy wants to kill, and it's because Envy is ruthless and would just keep on killing innocent people like Hughes if he was allowed to live. Yes, it's for revenge, but it also would have been taking out a serious threat. I guess Hawkeye didn't know that Envy had gone pathetic before and then come back, but stillll.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 11:16 am UTC (link)
Personally if I were a member of the general public, and I found out that my national leader had run into a kinda-immortal thing that feeds on people's souls and has killed like... entire civilizations (right? That whole Xerxes bit...) and hadn't killed the thing despite being perfectly able to, I'd be a bit pissed off. I mean, I like my national security, kthx, and if crazy immortal things are just being left to run around maiming things then that's JUST NOT COOL.

Ohright, I guess Hawkeye didn't technically know about that... well then what the hell. I blame Ed for all of this! D: And Scar knew too, so seriously. Someone should have had enough of a brain to realize that this thing needed to die badly. :(

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:20 am UTC (link)
HAHAHA, YEAH. I mean, Envy started the goddamn Ishbal War! I'm not sure how many people know that, but I think that Ed does, at least? I mean, I guess Hawkeye figured that they could contain Envy somehow, but... I mean, I'm sure Envy would have been able to find a way out of that. I don't really like him, but he's been around long enough that I don't most prisons could hold him. SO YEAH. STUPID PEOPLE.

Hahaha, yeah, they're just... made of fail. :| And they made Roy emo. I mean, he probably would have been emo even if he had killed Envy, since it wouldn't change the fact that Hughes was dead, but... baw. ;__;

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 11:32 am UTC (link)
... I think I'm kind of glad Roy doesn't know that, and will hopefully never find out, because ohgod. :( Envy's basically just been running around desperately trying to ruin Roy's life for forever, apparently. D: And yeah, I'm sure Hawkeye probably had some idea like that... we already tried putting him in a jar for however many chapters and that didn't keep him for long. :( And I mean, I'm sure Amestris isn't completely without some concept of the death penalty, since no one's seemed to have any problem killing anyone before this. :/ No matter what your opinion on the subject is, if there's one person who unarguably deserves it, it's Envy. o.O;

Yeah, the whole emo thing was just a lot worse since he was really being pretty reasonable about it. :/ It seemed like he just got tired of arguing and just gave up. And then it just seems even worse since Envy just killed himself after that, since it's not like we even accomplished anything out of it, then. He died anyway. So any justification he could have made out of it like "we can get information out of him!" or something is gone now, too. :/

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:41 am UTC (link)
Envy's sole purpose is to make Roy's life a living hell. XD But yeah, I imagine there is a death penalty, and maybe that's what Hawkeye was aiming for, even.

Yeah, he was pretty much just like "I'm done" and flopped on the floor. He ran out of steam, I guess. Poor thing. D: But yeah, it's not like anything even came of all that strife since Envy just went ahead and offed himself anyway, which is probably why Roy had his whole "COWARD" line at the end while making the most emo face ever.

Man, Roy, you can go from RAGING MAD to EMO in like .25 seconds. That's pretty impressive.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 11:57 am UTC (link)
Yeah, could be. Although honestly, I think after all her encounters with homunculi and the whole "BULLETS DON'T WORK ON THEM" thing, she should have a vague idea that standard methods of execution aren't really going to work very well, and it's probably better just to get it out of the way by someone who is. x_o;

Yeah, I felt so bad at the whole "coward" line. ._. So true. And so nobody wins and it's all just sad. :(

He's got too much of a guilt complex to stay in full-on rage mode for very long. :(

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 12:06 pm UTC (link)
Well, with Envy in that form, he would have just needed to be squashed or something, so if they had made sure to get it taken care of quickly, it probably wouldn't have been a problem.

It is very sad and dissatisfying, but I guess that's what Arakawa was going for. At least we can take solace in the fact that Hughes probably wouldn't have wanted Roy going on a rampage like that for his sake? ;_;

This is true. Aww, Roy, you need like... ten hugs.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 12:14 pm UTC (link)
This is true. But I just know something would go wrong and he'd escape and there'd be ZOMBIES EVERYWHERE and it'd just be terrible. :(

Yeah, I think the whole point was that Envy got a pathetic and unsatisfying death, because that's really all that he deserved. He didn't really deserve to have Roy kill him in some awesome manner, since I think that he would have preferred to have been killed by someone he'd worked up into such a rage anyway, since that would mean that he'd have control over their emotions until the last. And Roy would have wound up guilting himself horribly over going crazy either way. ._.; And yeah, Hughes wouldn't have wanted it, either. :(

He needs a lifetime's worth of hugs. :( I really want to see Madame Christmas again, too. We like, haven't seen her at all since we found out she was Roy's adopted mom. o_o

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Man, those zombie things are terrifying. :|

Yeah, that all makes a lot of sense, and I guess it's pretty fitting when you take all of that into consideration. I guess I just wanted satisfaction after Roy spent most of the manga searching for Hughes' killer.

That was out of nowhere! Her being his foster mother, I mean. But I'd like to see more of her too, and find out more about Roy's childhood and stuff.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 01:38 pm UTC (link)
They seriously are. I didn't realize that it would be so easy to turn FMA into a survival horror manga, but it really was. o.O;

Yeah, same here. :( So even though I acknowledge all the reasons, it still sucks for me. ._.;

Yeah, seriously! So I was expecting there to be more elaboration on it after it was revealed. At least a little bit of interaction where our newfound knowledge would come into play, but there was hardly anything. :/ And I'd love to hear more about Roy's childhood. And how he met Hughes and so forth. *coughcough*

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 01:56 pm UTC (link)
FMA is pretty creepy in general. I mean, Pride is enough to get me hiding under the covers. :| Well, not really, but man, that kid.

Yeah, it's very... I'm not sure how to explain it. But it was a pretty bold move on Arakawa's part!

I can't imagine there won't be more later, maybe in the aftermath of all this chaos. We at least know they were in military academy together! I still can't believe that's canon now~

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 02:48 pm UTC (link)
This is true. :X Although I consider Pride more of a creepy-awesome kind of twist. Made me super happy when I found out he was Selim. XD And then he just proceeded to get super-creepy, which is still cool, but grah. I think the sudden appearance of zombies creeps me out more, but I think that might just be me finding zombies creepy, and not having expected them to ever show up. o_o;

Yeah, it really was. For how much Envy has done and how long he's been around, you'd have expected a really drawn out and epic battle with him, so having such a short fight where he doesn't really ever gain an upper hand, followed by him just killing himself was a really bold move.

Hopefully. X3 I wouldn't be surprised if we came up on a good moment for Roy backstory not too long after this. Yes!! X3 That's so awesome~ I want millions of flashbacks, haha. Can we have a Flame Alchemist spinoff now? :P

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it was kind of out of nowhere, but it also makes sense that the corrupt Central people would just go ahead and do that. But... eww. :|

Arakawa is just cool like that? It's hard to guess at how she'll handle something like that, which is nice.

I would be thrilled if that happened! Dude, I would read it and so would tons of other people. IT SHOULD EXIST. And have lots of adorable Hughes and Roy moments.

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[info]aviy
2009-05-11 11:29 am UTC (link)
Forgive me if I'm butting in! But I was concerned about this also. However, I don't believe the moral of the story is "no killing". Afterall, throught the manga Ed and Al are thevonly ones to hold such high ideals and met of the rest of he cast thinks that's pretty hopeless. ALSO, no one tried to stop Roy when he started. Rather, when Roy UTTERLY LOST IT everyon was quite alarmed. And we look at this all very calmly from our years of understanding of what happened, and our ability to see things Roy doesn't show others. But imagine if someone you look up to, protect, follow, and care deeply for, who is always very calm, calculating, and goal oriented, abruptly LOST IT. Even if Roy had good reason! Which no one denied. He went /crazy/ which can be understandably concerning. I don't think they stopped him because the future ruler can't kill or any of that hypocritical nonsense. I think they stopped hm because he was seriously going crazy. Andeven if he would have been fine afterward. You still don't want to see your friend become a psychopathic killer, even just for a few minutes. Roy canoncally worries about being a monster, but justifies it by this end goal. In the case, there was no nonselfish justification. I think, later on, he would have felt that, too. After all, once he stands down, he does express shame.

Just my thoughts! But I was also going to be v. upset if there as a sudden Revenge Is Bad moral, but I don't think that's what happened here.

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[info]aviy
2009-05-11 11:33 am UTC (link)
Also TYPOES EVERYWHERE I'm on my iPhone, sob. So sorry.

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[info]verie
2009-05-11 11:52 am UTC (link)
I think they perceived Roy as having utterly lost it, but I don't think he really had. :/ Generally when you see people completely lose it, they stop thinking of the consequences of their actions, whereas Roy still seemed pretty capable of that. So while he was probably pretty close to losing it, he wasn't completely lost. ^^; Although yeah, I think they probably were afraid of him getting even crazier, so while it's admittedly an understandable fear, I have enough faith in Roy to know that once he'd killed Envy he would have been fine. And you're right that he wouldn't have felt any better afterwards. :/

I think I'm mostly just frustrated with the fact that most of the people in that room have been through the exact same sort of situation, so it seems strange to me that they're trying to hold him to higher standards (admittedly, since most of them look up to him, that does make sense, but still sucks for him), and the fact that regardless of his motives/state of mind, killing Envy was still a good idea. x_x;

And I feel pretty bad that he feels a need to guilt himself over how he was acting, since given the circumstances, it seems pretty justified to me. ._.

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[info]aviy
2009-05-11 11:15 am UTC (link)
AH AHHH AHHHHHHHH isn't it awesome?? FMA is my forever girl

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:21 am UTC (link)
IT IS AMAZING. ROY IS MY HERO ALWAYS.

And I love Greedling more all the time. Oh, FMA ♥

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[info]aviy
2009-05-11 11:30 am UTC (link)
I want to see him againnnnnn

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:31 am UTC (link)
Me too! Where'd you go, dude? :( I hope he's doing something awesome. I bet he is.

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[info]aviy
2009-05-11 11:34 am UTC (link)
I was all at up for some grate master/servant slash and then Ed and Greed split up )=

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:39 am UTC (link)
I KNOW. GAH. I was so stoked when they teamed up because I love that pairing to pieces. GET BACK TOGETHER, GUYS.

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[info]aviy
2009-05-11 11:43 am UTC (link)
BUT IT WAS SO AMAZING. Cuz unlike the first amine, the manga very rarely gives much slash for fangirls to work with. And then SUDDENLY, Ed belongs to Greed. !?!?? I was so happy )=

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:46 am UTC (link)
That's true, the manga is a lot more het-based. ED AND LING/GREEDLING ARE FANTASTIC, THOUGH. Finally, an Ed pairing I like! (Also, I imagine only Greed sees it as ownership. XD BUT I'M SURE HE'S QUITE PUSHY.)

And Roy's obsession with Hughes has me loving all over them each time. Even though it's also HEARTBREAKING. Buuuut that's old news.

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[info]vwl
2009-05-11 11:07 pm UTC (link)
RP TIEM

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-11 11:12 pm UTC (link)
SOON BUT I WANT TO TRY AND QUICKLY REVIEW THE LING CHAPTERS fjdlaf;kdj

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[info]vwl
2009-05-11 11:14 pm UTC (link)
HERE IN THE US, WE DON'T PRACTICE CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT

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[info]endless_abyss
2009-05-11 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Yea, its finally getting to the climax of the story. =3

I'm curious how far along, like percentage wise, the story is.

I love being able to translate manga though. When I have a little free time I have some raw manga I look at, and I have a series I actually plan on translating when I have enough free time. It takes so much energy though. XD But its still really rewarding to feel like you understand what is going on without someone helping you along.

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-12 07:47 am UTC (link)
I read somewhere that it's going to go longer than intended because Arakawa realized she had more stories she wanted to write about or something. So it's kind of up in the air right now.

It's a lot of energy, and very time-consuming, but it's also very satisfying! So yeah, I see where you're coming from. 8D I need to take a crack at some doujinshi when I get home, but that would be even tougher since it usually doesn't have any furigana.

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[info]endless_abyss
2009-05-12 07:54 am UTC (link)
Yea, furigana makes things much easier (though with my kanji dictionary on my DS, its not too much trouble to figure it out... I just have to be not lazy XD).

What I came to realize to day though is that translating for fun, so you can get the just of what is going on in a manga is much different than actually translating something so you can understand it and process it. The latter just makes my brain hurt. While it is nice to look at a big long composition and know that you've understood it in one capacity or another, to realize that you need to understand the nuances of what has been said and understand the specifics of the implications of the language... kinda sucks. XD

I hope the manga continues for a long time, because there isn't any reason why it shouldn't.... XD

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[info]burningvigor
2009-05-12 08:15 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I have the kanji dictionary on my DS too, and it definitely helps. XD

That's really true, yeah. Like, you can get an idea of what's being said, but then making a good translation of it is a whole other story... Which means that if you want to actually scanlate stuff, it's a lot of work.

It would be nice if it did! Though at the same time I'm really excited to see how it ends.

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